Curse

Solus_the_Deadly · Dec 30, 2006, 01:48 AM // 01:48

Shared Burden seems pretty useless as we'll.

Absolute Authority · Dec 30, 2006, 01:52 AM // 01:52

Reapers Sweep is a great eltie and essential in some dervish farming builds
Plus, quickshot owns when you use it with the right skills

xDusT II · Dec 30, 2006, 05:34 AM // 05:34

[skill]Wastrel's Collapse[/skill]

Hooray, after 5 seconds if my target has done NOTHING he gets knocked down!..

[skill]Ride the lightning[/skill]

Essentially a buffed up lightning strike that teleports you to the enemy (In your lovely squishy ele armor) and causes exhaustion...

[skill]Double Dragon[/skill]

basically 2 infernoes with a 30second recharge... If I wanted PBAoE I would take shockwave...

zling · Jan 01, 2007, 12:19 AM // 00:19

there are so many useless elites that it isnt even funny...
I'll pick up some favourites from each class, there are just too many...

Monk: Peace and Harmony, Scribe's Insight, Unyielding Aura, Healer's Covenant, Amity, Balthazar's Pendulum, Defender's Zeal

Warrior: Whirling Axe, Dwarven Battle Stance, Headbutt, Rage of the Ntouka, "You're All Alone!"

Ranger: Lacerate, Strike as One, Archer's Signet, Glass Arrows, Infuriating Heat, Marksman's Wager, Practiced Stance, Equinox, Famine, Greater Conflagration, Quicksand, Scavenger's Focus

Necromancer: Contagion, Discord, Order of Undeath. yeah the list is pretty short, as I think most of the Necromancer's elites can be used to some efficiency, skills such as Virulence arent that great but still have a few specific builds in which they're pretty good...

Mesmer: Enchanter's Conundrum, Hex Eater Vortex, Panic, Psychic Distraction, Psychic Instability, Simple Thievery, Symbols of Inspiration, Air of
Disenchantment, Fevered Dreams, Recurring Insecurity, Extend Conditions, Keystone Signet, Tease, Shatter Storm

Elementalist: Gust, Invoke Lightning, Ride the Lightning, Ether Renewal, Master of Magic, Savannah Heat, Icy Shackles, Mirror of Ice

Assassin: Seeping Wound, Mark of Insecurity, yeah the list is pretty short, as I think most of the Assassin's elites can be used to some efficiency, skills such as Wastel's Collapse arent that great but still have a few specific builds in which they're pretty good...

Ritualist: Offering of Spirit, Signet of Spirits, Weapon of Fury, Signet of Ghostly Might, Preservation, Spirit Light Weapon, Vengeful Was Khanhei, Weapon of Remedy, Reclaim Essence, Wielder's Zeal,

Paragorn: Angelic Bond, Defensive Anthem, Focused Anger, "It's just a flesh
wound.", "The Power Is Yours!"

Dervish: Vow of Strength, Pious Renewal. just too few elites to choose from, as all Avathar's and most other elites are useful in specific situation.

and now for the most useless elite in my opinion, suprised I havent seen anyone mention it already, sorry if I mislooked your post, Wielder's Zeal! yay my Ritualist is just spamming non elite weapon spells on everyone

ubermancer · Jan 01, 2007, 06:36 AM // 06:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by zling

there are so many useless elites that it isnt even funny...
I'll pick up some favourites from each class, there are just too many...

[...] "You're All Alone!" [...]

I dont think anyone is really taking you seriously after having said that.

zling · Jan 01, 2007, 02:12 PM // 14:12

and why is that? why exactly would you use "You're All Alone"?
as a Warrior you'd go with a weapon elite, Devastating Hammer, Backbreaker, Eviscerate, Cleave, Dragon Slash, Hundred Blades, whatever suits you best for what you're doing... sometimes you can ditch 1 of those out for GOOD elites such as Bull's Charge but what the hell is "You're All Alone" for?

JYX · Jan 01, 2007, 02:18 PM // 14:18

It's used for ganking. Very helpful when harassing enemy flag carriers, both because of the cripple and the synergy with signet of malice. The weakness helps with NPCs as well. It was a very very popular skill, until people realised that paradox+feigned neutrality with shadow stepping made you invincible.

Kakumei · Jan 01, 2007, 11:24 PM // 23:24

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Originally Posted by zling

"You're All Alone!"...Psychic Distraction...Invoke Lightning...Savannah Heat...Preservation...Vengeful Was Khanhei..Angelic Bond

Assuming we're taking both PvE and PvP into account, this is pretty rofl.

Ulivious The Reaper · Jan 02, 2007, 04:48 AM // 04:48

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Originally Posted by Nuva

Balthazar's Pendelum.

RELIES COMPLETELY ON LUCK.

I mean, I've never even seen it USED in any way possible!

Other then that, every elite I've seen I can use in a way to assist me.

have a smite monk carry that in PVP where hammers, which happen to rely on knockdown for effective use, and you have a decent elite, for only 5 energy other than that its rather useless

Coloneh · Jan 02, 2007, 05:56 AM // 05:56

most of the elemental elites are awful. epically the fire and air ones...

Sophitia Leafblade · Jan 02, 2007, 03:09 PM // 15:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skye Marin

Alright... Let's keep this list going:

Warrior
Earthshaker - not worth 8 strikes

Ranger
Quick Shot - nothing special
Archers Signet - Why do you need energy management when your Expertise is high enough to make any effective use of this skill?

Monk
Amity - too long recharge, only works on nearby foes

Mesmer
Keystone Signet - mostly useless

Elementalist
Ether Renewal - Nerfed to oblivion

Earthshaker is great for the mighty shockwave build especially team build wise. Attack the enemy charge up adren, earthshaker, and then everyone aftershock, next person earthshaker, crystal wave and well, bye bye foe. Thats how i beat the Zaishen challenge with my W.

Ug Quickshot, its like Marmite, u either love it or u hate it, on its own its an ok elite Vs low armoured enemys against high armoured ones its highly ineffective. Increases ur dps yes true but so do alot of elites and alot more do better dps.

Archers Signet is great it allows u to completely spam Concussion shot, lets say u have 3 titans attacking ut team, archers signet, concussion shot spam, on on each as they continiously cast and wala interuptions/dazed on them all and little in the way of energy cost so u can then can use up some big hit attacks with plenty of energy still in the bag.

Amity works wonders in AB, A cluster of Warriors charge the helpless monk at the back, Then haha they cant do anything to u, so u can point and laugh at them while ur team mates mop up everything not amitied.

Keystone signet is great too, blind on those annoying warriors and assassins so they cant hit u while u slapping some nice hexes onto them.

i agree Ether Renewal is pretty poor, if it lasted longer it would be more use pity Anet didnt make it scalable,

All elites have atleast 1 use where the are effective, but the 'Best' elites are the ones that are usful in more situations

yesitsrob · Jan 02, 2007, 03:12 PM // 15:12

SCRIBES INSIGHT. that has to be pretty high up on the completlete waste of time list.

Sir Mad · Jan 02, 2007, 11:01 PM // 23:01

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Originally Posted by Sophitia Leafblade

Ug Quickshot, its like Marmite, u either love it or u hate it, on its own its an ok elite Vs low armoured enemys against high armoured ones its highly ineffective. Increases ur dps yes true but so do alot of elites and alot more do better dps.

It also makes you abe to increase the DPS from your preparations, vamp string, sprit (WW, FW), etc, which all ignore armor. Since Quickshot has its own arc and refire rate, it also let you use a hornbow without their inconvenients (slow refire rate, medium arc).

Still you're right right to point that it's more effective vs low armor - against foes with a high armor, skills with a high damage ignoring armor such as Burning Arrow have a higher DPS.

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Originally Posted by ubermancer

Quote:

Originally Posted by zling

there are so many useless elites that it isnt even funny...
I'll pick up some favourites from each class, there are just too many...

[...] "You're All Alone!" [...]

I dont think anyone is really taking you seriously after having said that.

Rofl: I only read the ranger section - that was enough for me

Riceboi · Jan 03, 2007, 08:50 PM // 20:50

Each class has a few bad elites. Pretty much 80% of the paragon skill list.

Mickey · Jan 05, 2007, 05:44 PM // 17:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by zling

there are so many useless elites that it isnt even funny...
I'll pick up some favourites from each class, there are just too many...

Monk: Peace and Harmony, Scribe's Insight, Unyielding Aura, Healer's Covenant, Amity, Balthazar's Pendulum, Defender's Zeal

Warrior: Whirling Axe, Dwarven Battle Stance, Headbutt, Rage of the Ntouka, "You're All Alone!"

Ranger: Lacerate, Strike as One, Archer's Signet, Glass Arrows, Infuriating Heat, Marksman's Wager, Practiced Stance, Equinox, Famine, Greater Conflagration, Quicksand, Scavenger's Focus

Necromancer: Contagion, Discord, Order of Undeath. yeah the list is pretty short, as I think most of the Necromancer's elites can be used to some efficiency, skills such as Virulence arent that great but still have a few specific builds in which they're pretty good...

Mesmer: Enchanter's Conundrum, Hex Eater Vortex, Panic, Psychic Distraction, Psychic Instability, Simple Thievery, Symbols of Inspiration, Air of
Disenchantment, Fevered Dreams, Recurring Insecurity, Extend Conditions, Keystone Signet, Tease, Shatter Storm

Elementalist: Gust, Invoke Lightning, Ride the Lightning, Ether Renewal, Master of Magic, Savannah Heat, Icy Shackles, Mirror of Ice

Assassin: Seeping Wound, Mark of Insecurity, yeah the list is pretty short, as I think most of the Assassin's elites can be used to some efficiency, skills such as Wastel's Collapse arent that great but still have a few specific builds in which they're pretty good...

Ritualist: Offering of Spirit, Signet of Spirits, Weapon of Fury, Signet of Ghostly Might, Preservation, Spirit Light Weapon, Vengeful Was Khanhei, Weapon of Remedy, Reclaim Essence, Wielder's Zeal,

Paragorn: Angelic Bond, Defensive Anthem, Focused Anger, "It's just a flesh
wound.", "The Power Is Yours!"

Dervish: Vow of Strength, Pious Renewal. just too few elites to choose from, as all Avathar's and most other elites are useful in specific situation.

and now for the most useless elite in my opinion, suprised I havent seen anyone mention it already, sorry if I mislooked your post, Wielder's Zeal! yay my Ritualist is just spamming non elite weapon spells on everyone

After "Your All Alone!" I scrolled down the list and saw Famine and Great Conflagration. Those are easily not even close to being useless. Famine is great for Duo Farming and Soloing some area, and Greater Conflagration combined with Drakescale set and Elemental Resistance owns it up.

crazyFanatic · Jan 05, 2007, 06:43 PM // 18:43

Lightbringer Signet ftl

Solus_the_Deadly · Jan 06, 2007, 07:42 AM // 07:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by zling

there are so many useless elites that it isnt even funny...
I'll pick up some favourites from each class, there are just too many...

Monk: Peace and Harmony, Scribe's Insight, Unyielding Aura, Healer's Covenant, Amity, Balthazar's Pendulum, Defender's Zeal

Warrior: Whirling Axe, Dwarven Battle Stance, Headbutt, Rage of the Ntouka, "You're All Alone!"

Ranger: Lacerate, Strike as One, Archer's Signet, Glass Arrows, Infuriating Heat, Marksman's Wager, Practiced Stance, Equinox, Famine, Greater Conflagration, Quicksand, Scavenger's Focus

Necromancer: Contagion, Discord, Order of Undeath. yeah the list is pretty short, as I think most of the Necromancer's elites can be used to some efficiency, skills such as Virulence arent that great but still have a few specific builds in which they're pretty good...

Mesmer: Enchanter's Conundrum, Hex Eater Vortex, Panic, Psychic Distraction, Psychic Instability, Simple Thievery, Symbols of Inspiration, Air of
Disenchantment, Fevered Dreams, Recurring Insecurity, Extend Conditions, Keystone Signet, Tease, Shatter Storm

Elementalist: Gust, Invoke Lightning, Ride the Lightning, Ether Renewal, Master of Magic, Savannah Heat, Icy Shackles, Mirror of Ice

Assassin: Seeping Wound, Mark of Insecurity, yeah the list is pretty short, as I think most of the Assassin's elites can be used to some efficiency, skills such as Wastel's Collapse arent that great but still have a few specific builds in which they're pretty good...

Ritualist: Offering of Spirit, Signet of Spirits, Weapon of Fury, Signet of Ghostly Might, Preservation, Spirit Light Weapon, Vengeful Was Khanhei, Weapon of Remedy, Reclaim Essence, Wielder's Zeal,

Paragorn: Angelic Bond, Defensive Anthem, Focused Anger, "It's just a flesh
wound.", "The Power Is Yours!"

Dervish: Vow of Strength, Pious Renewal. just too few elites to choose from, as all Avathar's and most other elites are useful in specific situation.

and now for the most useless elite in my opinion, suprised I havent seen anyone mention it already, sorry if I mislooked your post, Wielder's Zeal! yay my Ritualist is just spamming non elite weapon spells on everyone

Are you CRAZY? You put some GREAT elites on your list!

ubermancer · Jan 06, 2007, 06:12 PM // 18:12

Speaking from a (mostly) PVE'rs perspective, these skills shouldnt be on your list...

Healer's Covenant (hello, arcane mimicry!)
Defender's Zeal (smiting monks really do need e-management)
Whirling Axe (infuriating heat, anyone?)
Dwarven Battle Stance (stops any stationary target dead, use with renewing etc)
Headbutt (big damage, plague touch daze. high energy, but manageable)
Rage of the Ntouka (another awesome skill)
"You're All Alone!" (awesome PvP elite, specially on a sin)
Archer's Signet (concussion shot)
Glass Arrows (situational, but good where there are no enchantments)
Infuriating Heat (are you insane!?)
Practiced Stance (choking gas)
Equinox (pvp edenial)
Famine (solo farming, pvp edenial)
Greater Conflagration (shuts down orders, allows control of damage type for extra resistance vs basically all non holy shadow or chaos damage)
Quicksand (very effective aoe e-denial)
Order of Undeath (+17 dmg times 20 to 30 hits assuming fiends = +340 to +510 damage over 5 seconds)
Contagion (dark aura spike)
Discord (subpar, but gives the death necro something he never had before)
Enchanter's Conundrum (you dont play a memser, do you)

Actually I looked at the rest of his list, and saw some things that said that he had no idea what the mesmer actually does. This is generally a good indicator that I shouldnt talk to that person about Guild Wars, because they tend to think Im an idiot. (ie, for suggesting that YAA is leet)

Sir Mad · Jan 07, 2007, 03:32 PM // 15:32

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Originally Posted by ubermancer

"You're All Alone!" (awesome PvP elite, specially on a sin)

It's very nice with Flail as well in GvG or even I guess in AB.

Crystal Titan · Jan 19, 2007, 07:44 PM // 19:44

Peace and Harmony and Unyielding Aura.